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	<title>Comments on: Monbiot: Nuclear energy</title>
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	<description>jonathan lundell</description>
	<pubDate>Tue,  6 Jan 2009 12:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://pragmatos.net/2005/10/25/monbiot-nuclear-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-1233</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Apr 2006 03:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wind power is cheap, but fuel recycling with fast neutron reactors will reduce nuclear waste to 1 percent of the original material, with none of it capable of being useful for making weapons. In the long run, both could be equally cost-effective sources of power. See the article in the December 2005 issue of "Scientific American" on the future of nuclear power plants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wind power is cheap, but fuel recycling with fast neutron reactors will reduce nuclear waste to 1 percent of the original material, with none of it capable of being useful for making weapons. In the long run, both could be equally cost-effective sources of power. See the article in the December 2005 issue of &#8220;Scientific American&#8221; on the future of nuclear power plants.</p>
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		<title>By: Wes Rolley</title>
		<link>http://pragmatos.net/2005/10/25/monbiot-nuclear-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>Wes Rolley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 00:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These issues bring together some very disparate groups.  For example both the Sierra Club (Carl Pope) and the Cato Institute (Jerry Tailor) are talking about a zero-subsidy energy policy from the Federal Government.  
With that kind of advantage, Green sources just might win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These issues bring together some very disparate groups.  For example both the Sierra Club (Carl Pope) and the Cato Institute (Jerry Tailor) are talking about a zero-subsidy energy policy from the Federal Government.<br />
With that kind of advantage, Green sources just might win.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://pragmatos.net/2005/10/25/monbiot-nuclear-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-304</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's an ongoing dispute about what constitutes an apples-to-apples comparison of costs. The Guardian &lt;a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/nuclear/article/0,2763,1584356,00.html"&gt;article&lt;/a&gt; that Worstall &lt;a href="http://timworstall.typepad.com/timworstall/2005/10/naughty_georges.html"&gt;cites&lt;/a&gt;, for example, also says,
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In other words, wind power expensive, nuclear power cheap (in comparison to wind). But Oxera's methodology has been challenged. It ignores the tens of billions of pounds of taxpayers' money which have been spent in developing and cleaning up after the nuclear industry over the past 50 years, and ignores the rate at which wind power technology is becoming cheaper - to the point that, Tony White warns, government action should be considered soon to stop the owners of onshore wind farms making "superprofits".

When no new reactors have been built in the west for so long, too, working out how much they might cost is an inexact science. "Nobody's built one of these things in Europe for 20 years," says Juniper. "Where are these figures coming from?" A report just out from an independent think tank, the New Economics Foundation, suggests that the costs of a new generation of reactors in Britain has been underestimated almost by a factor of three.
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The picture in the US is even murkier, with the newly renewed Price-Anderson Act subsidizing and capping the nuclear industry's liability.

I'm reminded of the ongoing and unresolved dispute over the net energy gain in using alcohol as a gasoline substitute. None of the studies I've read are entirely convincing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s an ongoing dispute about what constitutes an apples-to-apples comparison of costs. The Guardian <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/nuclear/article/0,2763,1584356,00.html">article</a> that Worstall <a href="http://timworstall.typepad.com/timworstall/2005/10/naughty_georges.html">cites</a>, for example, also says,</p>
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In other words, wind power expensive, nuclear power cheap (in comparison to wind). But Oxera&#8217;s methodology has been challenged. It ignores the tens of billions of pounds of taxpayers&#8217; money which have been spent in developing and cleaning up after the nuclear industry over the past 50 years, and ignores the rate at which wind power technology is becoming cheaper - to the point that, Tony White warns, government action should be considered soon to stop the owners of onshore wind farms making &#8220;superprofits&#8221;.</p>
<p>When no new reactors have been built in the west for so long, too, working out how much they might cost is an inexact science. &#8220;Nobody&#8217;s built one of these things in Europe for 20 years,&#8221; says Juniper. &#8220;Where are these figures coming from?&#8221; A report just out from an independent think tank, the New Economics Foundation, suggests that the costs of a new generation of reactors in Britain has been underestimated almost by a factor of three.
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<p>The picture in the US is even murkier, with the newly renewed Price-Anderson Act subsidizing and capping the nuclear industry&#8217;s liability.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of the ongoing and unresolved dispute over the net energy gain in using alcohol as a gasoline substitute. None of the studies I&#8217;ve read are entirely convincing.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric McErlain</title>
		<link>http://pragmatos.net/2005/10/25/monbiot-nuclear-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-303</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric McErlain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim Worstall pointed out a &lt;a href="http://timworstall.typepad.com/timworstall/2005/10/naughty_georges.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;major flaw in Monbiot's analysis yesterday&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Worstall pointed out a <a href="http://timworstall.typepad.com/timworstall/2005/10/naughty_georges.html" rel="nofollow">major flaw in Monbiot&#8217;s analysis yesterday</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Tian</title>
		<link>http://pragmatos.net/2005/10/25/monbiot-nuclear-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator>Tian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the fact he pointed out that energy efficiency has way more bang for the buck than the other choices on the list. That is true for mobile as well as stationary consumption. If we could just get all those consumers out there on their bicycles the price of gasoline would plumet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the fact he pointed out that energy efficiency has way more bang for the buck than the other choices on the list. That is true for mobile as well as stationary consumption. If we could just get all those consumers out there on their bicycles the price of gasoline would plumet!</p>
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